Who are the Reigning Queen and Princess of Pop?
Remember when Britney was at the top of her game and everyone referred to her as the Princess of Pop, while Madonna was the reigning Queen of Pop and she could do no wrong? It was certainly an event when both collaborated in 2003 with Me Against the Music — then there was the ubiquitous VMA lesbian kiss where everyone forgot about Christina Aguilera.
I think it’s time to talk about this now that MTV’s horrible VMA tribute to Britney is done, pretty much putting a stop to the idea that we could have the old Britney back, and Madonna — three years after the mix-reviewed Hard Candy — recently got a good beating from the press for the release of W.E.
We know that Disney has failed to produce a new generation of idols to ever be considered worthy of such Pop glory, with the likes of Miley Cyrus more known for those skimpy photos online, or Demi Lovato who made more headlines for heading off to rehab. Nope, even the likes of Lindsay Lohan became trainwrecks before anything could happen.
Yes, the Pop industry is a cold-hearted world, in which you hit 30 and are past your prime. That’s why our reigning Queen should have the balls of steel to endure the harshness of the business as she enjoys our respect, which she should have earned with sweat and blood. The reigning Princess should also be prepared to endure such obstacles, as she grows a pair and continues the path to Pop greatness, passing her baton to a new generation of princesses as she gets crowned a Queen.
While Madonna managed to stay at the top of her game for 20 years with style changes, music changes, reinventing herself over and over again until she got swallowed by that sound that we know as Timbaland, Britney, well… she got the baton and really went crazy with it. They’ve been getting crazier at a younger age.
Maybe it’s the times we live in, but it feels like there’s a huge void in what used to be Pop music which is being filled in part by Lady Gaga  and would somehow explain the rise in popularity of Kpop  in places like Europe and the Americas (North, Central and South).
So we’re taking a look at all the possible candidates, viewing their pros and cons which should level their capacities of dancing, singing, performance skills, likability factor as well as character (which in the end is the only way you can take hold of your life in the Pop industry), fashion status, personal life scandals, and just because Madonna and Britney made it a standard, sexuality factor.
All listed by how old they are, from eldest to youngest~
“Is she too Latin to be Pop? Or is she too Pop to be Latin?”
what the hell is this statement?
also, why is Ayumi’s fashion 5 five stars while Namie’s is barely 3 and a half? her performance should be higher too as that is what draws millions of people to her concerts. Hyori’s performance needs to be at 3 and her dance at like 2. Beyonce needs to be at 5 too.
@what, [we try to use real names here as much as possible or at least reasonable screenames].
What’s the problem with the sentence? Shakira is a Latina, but she’s definitely crossover enough to be considered pop music. So which one is it? Are her albums regarded as pop or latin pop? It’s a valid question for a world that likes to label things.
Namie Amuro’s popularizing tanned skins, dyed hair and minis with boots is hardly a fashion statement.
I don’t think anyone’s got a 5 in performance.
But thank you for your comments.
oh, you’re going to be picky about how people comment on your blog now?
“What’s the problem with the sentence? Shakira is a Latina, but she’s definitely crossover enough to be considered pop music.”
You missed the point. Of course, Shakira is both– pop music anywhere is a mixture of various elements. Lebanese, African– Shakira blends it all into what is her own brand of music, which happens to be popular.
@amy, “Namie Amuro’s popularizing tanned skins, dyed hair and minis with boots is hardly a fashion statement.”
Except that’s the very fashion statement she popularized and is still a trademark today– ever heard of an Amura? Hundreds of magazine spreads and covers later and she’s still a fashion leader for young girls. This is indisputable. Anyone that tries to say otherwise needs to educate themselves on the history on J-pop rather than coming to their own conclusions on what they think is or isn’t popular.
What’s the point in having a 5-star rating system then? And the fact that certain people’s performances (which is a combination of voice and dance), get less than their voice and dancing score.. That’s just mathematically incorrect and doesn’t make your article look better.
@believer, I don’t know what’s picky about it. ‘what’ pointed out a sentence that he didn’t agree with, and I told him/her that it was a valid question. Some people who are focus on latin music, don’t consider Shakira latin music any longer though some of her recent releases have been focused on said market.
The fact that the GRAMMY has a Pop category separated from the Latin Pop category speaks for itself.
Also, like pointed out in a comment below, this is an opinion article that contains a poll for people to vote. You are obviously a fan of Namie Amuro, and you’re entitled to discuss in the comments without being hostile about it.
The 5 star rating is a subjective scale, of course you think a 5/5 rating is possible… while I think it’s not. If you would bother to check my reviews, the most I give something it’s a 4/5 considering that a 5/5 is a distinctive thing for acts/films/albums that I find as favorite. Also, performance also means stage persona and theatrics which has nothing to do with how well someone can sing or dance.
Madonna still remains the Queen for me. Honestly, I couldn’t care less what the critics say about her film. When you’ve got eleven albums, you’re recording a twelfth, and you’re now trying your hand at directing and writing movies – you deserve that Queen title.
@Juan Barquin, I really think Madonna’s career in pop is a huge feature. I mean, twenty years at the top of her game is something huge… especially in pop music.
In terms of number of albums though… xD I mean, BoA has 14 studio albums and she’s 25 LOL. But she’s a crazy overachiever. I think a lot of her fans are expecting her Hollywood dancing debut in that 3d dancing film xD
@amy, So it’s like fifty months later (or just five whatever) and I still stand by my opinion that Madonna is f l a w l e s s. Although the Give Me All Your Luvin’ single really didn’t need Nicki Minaj or MIA at all honestly. The demo is far better because it’s just her solo work.
@Juan Barquin, is there a link to it? Because all I get searching for that is covers by fans. – Anyway, I like the song. I agree Minaj sounds out of place there, and… I don’t even notice MIA in it. But the song reminds me of Britney’s How I Roll… I wonder if it’s the same producer xD
I voted for BoA, Christina Aguilera and Amuro Namie :) I love BoA, she’s awesome, talented and has a great personality :D although, I think Christina Aguilera is definitely one of the top singers, her voice is just so strong, almost flawless…and strong.. lol
and btw, why do people complain about if someone has more or less stars than others? this is an article and it has obviously some subjective point of view, its written by someone, its not an article based on a poll… it HAS a poll for you to vote.
Anyways, i still think BoA’s the best for me :) nice post!
@naomi, Aguilera’s voice overpowers anything she does, so when she tried to play down her voice for Bionic, it just didn’t work.
I like BoA’s I Eat You Up a lot – not because of the English lyrics… I can’t get over the lyrics, but I think it’s her best MV and her dancing there, that was the first time I was ever blown away by her power dancing. She literally blew those windows off.
@amy, she’s awesome♥ and she’s a hardworker, i like that about her a lot :) Have you seen her ‘over the top’ performance? maybe its not the best dance or what so ever, but for me its one of her best performances :3 also ‘bad drive’ @ her ‘the face’ tour :)
I find it hilarious (and slightly disturbing) that fans – anonymous fans nonetheless – comment obviously in favor of their fandom but instead of saying things like “you’re wrong! BoA is an amazing dancer” while showing you with amazing links, they just decide to piss on the author of the post.
@ghost, look I understand the fans. I do try to be as objective as I can, but it’s incredibly naive to think that ANY journalist/writer/blogger/person doesn’t have a point of view. If it had been for me, I wouldn’t have given Namie so much dancing points because I do think she lacks swing and prowess for dancing.
But then when I talk about my favorite singers (who don’t even show up on the list because I know they’re not in the same type of music), I’m quick to point out that they’re not dancers or that they know they’re not great vocalists.
Britney, whatever you may say of her now, didn’t have the greatest vocals and she was pretty fine at dancing, but when she performed (specially on MTV) she was pretty amazing. That goes to show you, for one of the above comments, that vocals and dancing has nothing to do with performing.
@ghost, also… *laughs* you’re one to talk about anonymous fans. LOL
Have to say…Minaj and Rihanna just shouldn’t be on this list. Their images, pop though they may seem, show nothing of the strength, talent, drive, and creativity of those touted as true Pop Divas (a la Madonna, Janet Jackson, and even Beyonce, though I was never a fan of hers starting from her DC days). Just because someone makes headliens doesn’t make them in any way pop royalty. Nicki Minaj has nothing remotely resembling talent in my opinion. She’s like a bad cartoon…she’s got lots of colours, plastic parts, and moves around a lot. (Tellytubbies, anyone?) Rihanna just doesn’t have any of the fire it takes to reign at the top at all. Gaga has the show and spectacle, but her sound is generic and, in fact, is more of a Madonna 2.0 or a Spice Girls hybrid of some sort. Nothing incredibly interesting for me. Of course, I know I’m in the VAST minority here, but that’s just how I feel.
I’m sad that Janet’s not on this list because in terms of longevity, sexuality, performance, and heart, she and Madonna are the crux of the pop universe. They came about around the same time with the same attitude, strength, sexuality, and ability to pack stadiums with their presence alone. Scandals notwithstanding (however silly they may have been) both of these ladies carried off their diva status with the same amount of poise, class, and sheer love of music that these newfound starlets just don’t seem to have. These Disney clones all sound the same, all make the same music, and all follow in the same footsteps: Disney movie, horrible (and random to the point of ridiculous) album, some childish and idiotic rumour/scandal, fade into obscurity. It’s all very piontless in my opinion.
I’m sad to admit that I don’t know much about the Asian stars on this list and hope to remedy that in the future to give a better assessment of where they stand on the whole Pop Queen/Princess debate.
I think our best shot is Beyonce because she pretty much does the same thing that Janet and company have done which is put on a good show and maintain relative class (I’m not a fan of hers and actually find her quite uninteresting musically, and also am rather humoured by her sudden European appearance. But she does fit into that elite few that I’d give the crown to just on the basis of what I know of her).
Note on Shakira: unique voice, incredible natural movement, uncanny ability to choose sexy as hell co-stars in her video (you think I’m bluffing? “Gypsy”. Rafa Nadal…nuff said). She’s at least a Pop Lady in Waiting in my opinion ;)
Sorry that was so long. Just wanted to give my two cents (or 75 cents, depending on where you stand on my incredibly long responses…HaHa).
@Camiele White, well… this is a long comment xD
In real life, I would agree with you about Minaj and Rihanna – but for the purpose of this post, I had to recognize them. If you go through each page, Minaj and Rihanna have generally average ratings, and you’ll see that both of their ratings for voice, dancing and performing are pretty low compared to the others.
Each one has a music video sample to give you an idea of what they’re like as a package, even if you don’t know the Asian ones.
My view on Gaga is half and half, I was greatly disappointed with her last album and have been less than impressed with all her performances this year.
Janet is not on the list, because I would consider her more of Madonna’s contemporary which would also open the door to add Cyndi Lauper and other Latin (like Thalia or Paulina Rubio) and Asian musicians (… too many pop vocalists), so I made it a point to make it a list of people of Britney’s generation and below.
@amy, Well, I wouldn’t necessarily call Janet Madonna’s contemporary seeing as both of their respective popularity was at around the same time, give or take maybe a year. But, it’s your list. So, I won’t harp on it…HaHa ;P
I’d also argue that it wasn’t a requisite to add neither Minaj or Rihanna. The list would’ve been just as complete without them, I believe. Or, if you want to go in terms of Britney and beyond, you’ve got Jennifer Lopez (dancing, acting, and “singing”…at least the first two are far more superior than M and R), Pink (her versatility drives her pop appeal), and even stronger, Mariah Carey (though I’d personally dismiss anything after Heartbreaker, her latest albums have sold considerably and have established her as part of the “Pop Queen” conversation).
Another long response. Mwah-ha-ha-ha-haaaa!!!!! >=)
@Camiele, oh gosh. Mariah’s Heartbreaker – I really haven’t taken Mariah seriously since she became MiMi. But I’ll concede in that anything Mariah put out in the market pre-99 is miles better than 99% of what RiRi and Minaj has on the market – though I gotta admit that Super Bass song, I didn’t care for it online… but I was forced to listen to it on the radio last week. Damn, it’s catchy.
I’ll concede on Jennifer Lopez too. Though, she really had a long break between the years of her Love Don’t Cost a Thing days to her recent releases…
Though Pink’s pop appeal is undeniable — Just like Beyonce’s pop appeal is — I always thought of Pink as something else. I think the only thing in Pink’s career that resembled anything pop was her debut album. She’s done too much rock-ish song, I don’t think the industry has ever considered her pop.
I always had the impression Pink is more famous in Europe and Australia than she is in America.
@amy, You make a totally valid point about Pink. I’ve always taken the term “pop” as a more literal interpretation: anything that’s popular. If we’re talking about, say, “Candy Pop”, that’s when you get talking about Britney, Christina (pre-“Stripped”), etc. If you’re talking about pop that transcends and then becomes something worthy of royal consideration, you’ve got certain criteria (that I think you covered) that have to be taken into account. If certain “artists”, no matter how current they are, don’t even come close to fitting those criteria, they don’t deserve mention on the list.
But I suppose I should stop…HaHa. I’m littering up the comment page.
@Camiele, I just wanted to avoid the flames. I’m scared of Lady Gaga, RiRi and Minaj fans. LOL Though apparently… I should be scared of Namie Amuro fans. xD
Nah… I just think I had to considered them… I think there was a not so recent article with Rihanna talking about how they all reign the charts. I had to consider them… as well as some of the Asian singers I added, even though BoA and Hyori haven’t released new material in a while… they are considered pop queens in Asia.
The inclusions of the names was only about people’s general’s perspective of who are dominating music now. The ratings are my own thing, and if you take a look at Beyonce’s – I think she’s the one with the most leveled rating in the whole list.
@amy, Yeah. I saw that. For me of those on the list, it’d have to Christina or Beyonce, though, like I said, I’m not a fan of hers. I need to get up on my Asian pop stars, though, as Julili will tell you…HaHa.
@Camiele, oh yeah- I heard you were doing okay on the Asian boys side of things. Seriously, all you people who weren’t boy band girls are into boy bands now xD
@amy, I mean…how could you NOT be?! Just….sexiness that just should be illegal!
@Camiele, well… sometimes it is a bit illegal! xD The Kpop industry is such a dangerous place…
Saw the post on your blog, and came to do my Nelson laugh *Ha ha*
How much of a star will cost that Anahi lawsuit for discrimination against women for the Snickers commercial?
Talk about shooting yourself on the foot.
@ghost, well… Anahi is already pretty low ranked in the “Scandal” factor.
For those of you who don’t know, Anahi and (I guess) Snickers Latin America/Mexico were recently sued for discrimination against women for a commercial where Anahi is playing a dude named Carlos, and “he” is accused of behaving like a girl when he’s hungry. Turning once again into Carlos when he bites the Snickers.
In contrast to the Betty White commercial, where a guy named Jamie is accused of behaving like Betty White – which is not sexist at all.
Even though Anahi choosing to make the commercial is kind of dumb, I don’t think she should be held responsible, or at least sued for it.
If anyone is a queen of these ones it’s Beyonce. No woman at the moment can compare to her performance ability!
@magge, and… if it’s not one of these ones, who would be queen? xD
I’m sorry. Where is Rebecca Black?
@Castor, pfffft. Rebecca Black schmack. xD
List is invalid without Britney Spears.
@Jay, pffft. This whole list is because Britney is not cutting it any longer, if you check the introduction. ;P
@amy, How would you rate Spears and Madonna on your star rating format you did for those other pop singers?
@Rodrigo, let’s see…
at the height of their careers~
Performance: 4.5 (go figure those mathematics hahaha)
Pop Queen/Princess Rate: 4.25 (automatic average)
Britney (until her In the Zone days)
Pop Queen/Princess Rate: 3.75 (automatic average)
I don’t think Britney ever reached her full potential. T_T And I’m blaming that one on her lack of character. I was so sad looking at the photos that we got from her concert hahaha… like, really nostalgic xD
@amy, I should have specified that. Nowadays, I meant to say.
@Rodrigo, well… Madonna hasn’t performed in AGES. So I really wouldn’t know what her skills are at the moment. But Hard Candy and ever since American Life, I’ve been disappointed. So probably her performance has gone down, as well as her fashion and sexuality.
Britney, right now, after the release of her latest Femme Fatale…
Likability: 4 – this is up for debate, LOL. Still loads of people who root for her.
Scandal: 3.5 – I don’t think anybody cares about her scandals any longer. Or if something happens, nothing is shocking.
Pop Queen/Princess Rate: 3
How can I vote?!?!?!
@Alexandra, voting was closed a while ago.
@Alexandra, you can still share your thoughts :)
I’d really love to vote. Where can I?
@Eri, hi! Like stated in the comment above, the voting has been closed for a while now.